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Author Topic: Ransdall resigns from county commission  (Read 1423 times)

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Re: Ransdall resigns from county commission
« Reply #30 on: November 04, 2009, 07:53:03 PM »
But I believe he maintains a legal residence here, doesn't he?
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Re: Ransdall resigns from county commission
« Reply #31 on: November 05, 2009, 07:53:20 AM »
My question is: Is the lease in his name, or his mother's (deceased)? And are there any govt subsidising of fees/rent at this apartment complex?
 
 
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Re: Ransdall resigns from county commission
« Reply #32 on: November 05, 2009, 08:04:32 AM »
hmmm, I assume that DTM could get that information...
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Re: Ransdall resigns from county commission
« Reply #33 on: November 05, 2009, 08:11:16 AM »
Well just my opinion, but the other reporters are afraid to make even one wave in the pool.
 
 
hmmm, I assume that DTM could get that information...

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Re: Ransdall resigns from county commission
« Reply #34 on: November 05, 2009, 12:18:14 PM »
Actually, I looked into this question when Doug Yurecko ran for the 911 Board.
 
There was a case down in the Branson area that got litigated through the court system and it is very difficult to prove that a person does not live where they are registered to vote. Yurecko's case was essentially non-actionable from a legal perspective because firefighters do routinely stay at the firehouse, and some firefighters don't have another place to live. The Branson case was considerably more problematic but that person was ruled by the court system to be validly registered at the address he claimed as his residence.
 
A candidate who is registered to vote in an electoral district can run for office and that's pretty much the end of it unless someone files a complaint.
 
I've covered election complaints in the past and will certainly cover any complaint filed if I know about it, but the mere fact that somebody files a complaint doesn't mean there's any substance to the complaint, or that it will be acted on favorably by the relevant judicatory.
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Re: Ransdall resigns from county commission
« Reply #35 on: November 05, 2009, 12:25:22 PM »
I see the  issue is that tax dollars from P county funding this guy to live there since IIRC its income based housing with all services except phone included.  So, is this going off his income or deceased mother?  He owns a farm...= equity.  Has a job...  The issue is that record keeping for that housuing authority is not real tidy. 
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Re: Ransdall resigns from county commission
« Reply #36 on: November 05, 2009, 02:04:15 PM »
Actually, I looked into this question when Doug Yurecko ran for the 911 Board.
 
There was a case down in the Branson area that got litigated through the court system and it is very difficult to prove that a person does not live where they are registered to vote. Yurecko's case was essentially non-actionable from a legal perspective because firefighters do routinely stay at the firehouse, and some firefighters don't have another place to live. The Branson case was considerably more problematic but that person was ruled by the court system to be validly registered at the address he claimed as his residence.
 
A candidate who is registered to vote in an electoral district can run for office and that's pretty much the end of it unless someone files a complaint.
 
I've covered election complaints in the past and will certainly cover any complaint filed if I know about it, but the mere fact that somebody files a complaint doesn't mean there's any substance to the complaint, or that it will be acted on favorably by the relevant judicatory.


So Darrell are you telling us we have an elected official using the Waynesville Rural Fire Protection District Station as his legal residence in order to be on the 911 Board???

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Re: Ransdall resigns from county commission
« Reply #37 on: November 05, 2009, 02:14:10 PM »
Are you saying that firefighters can live at the firestation and don't have to have any other residence.

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Re: Ransdall resigns from county commission
« Reply #38 on: November 05, 2009, 02:14:50 PM »
So Darrell are you telling us we have an elected official using the Waynesville Rural Fire Protection District Station as his legal residence in order to be on the 911 Board???

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Re: Ransdall resigns from county commission
« Reply #39 on: November 05, 2009, 02:29:54 PM »
So Darrell are you telling us we have an elected official using the Waynesville Rural Fire Protection District Station as his legal residence in order to be on the 911 Board???


At one time, yes. I did not continue looking into the matter once I learned it was legal, and I haven't checked for a long time, so that may no longer be the case.

In fairness to Doug Yurecko, some firefighters **DO** virtually live at the firehouse in many jurisdictions, not just around here, and some (especially young single firefighters) may choose to live in the fire station as their primary place of residence. That can be a very good thing since it results in more people being immediately available for a fire call.
 
Furthermore, the more I dug into this, the more common I discovered these situations are.

I basically told the people who were running a "whispering campaign" that since claiming a secondary place of residence somebody doesn't own as their voter registration location is neither illegal or unethical under state statutes, even if somebody does own a primary residence somewhere else, it is a political issue rather than a legal issue. I said I was not going to deal with it unless someone raised the question in the campaign and made the complaint using their own name, not using the media as a proxy for an anonymous attack.

Fair warning in the current context -- if you want to attack a candidate and can cite illegalities or unethical behavior as defined by state statute, I'll go after it aggressively. Whisteblowers have every reason and every right to remain anonymous. Perfect examples of that would include somebody leaking to me that a candidate for county office has failed to pay their property taxes, or has a DWI conviction from the time before CaseNet went online that doesn't show up without digging through old hard-copy paperwork of court records. (And yes, more than one candidate in this area has withdrawn from races after those facts were called to my attention and that of others.)

But attacks based on a political issue where people can legitimately take either side should have a name attached to them so people know if there is an agenda behind the attack and can defend themselves from the attack, or at least respond to it.
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Re: Ransdall resigns from county commission
« Reply #40 on: November 05, 2009, 10:23:12 PM »
I don't have a problem with live in firefighters.  I was one 30 years ago.  It increases manning and decreases response times thus the citizens benefit.

I have a problem with a politician (any politician) using a false address, business address or whatever to run for an elected seat when they don't live in that jurisdiction.  I would never support anyone that was in that position and hope if there are anymore around here that it is pointed out for all to know.

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Re: Ransdall resigns from county commission
« Reply #41 on: November 07, 2009, 09:21:00 AM »
Fair enough... that's a legitimate question, but it's a poltical question, not a legal question. My issue during the race was whether I should make it an issue or whether other candidates or the general public should make it an issue. Doug Yurecko was elected in a contested race and nobody wanted to stand behind their criticism of him on this; certain people just wanted me to go after him by serving as the proxy for anonymous attackers.

For whatever it's worth, at the time Yurecko owned several other business properties in Pulaski County and his family home is very close to but not quite inside Pulaski County. If somebody had taken him on for being an out-of-county resident, he could have made a reasonable defense of his position that he not only works in but also spends more time in Pulaski County than his family house, and then the voters would have had that as one among many other factors to consider in deciding who to elect.

My point is that unless a candidate or a member of the public challenges a politician on his residency, if he meets the legal standard for residency, I'm not going to participate in anonymous attacks. I will, however, be happy to quote attacks that have an attacker's name attached to them. That's what reporters do.

I don't have a problem with live in firefighters. I was one 30 years ago.  It increases manning and decreases response times thus the citizens benefit. I have a problem with a politician (any politician) using a false address, business address or whatever to run for an elected seat when they don't live in that jurisdiction.  I would never support anyone that was in that position and hope if there are anymore around here that it is pointed out for all to know.

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Re: Ransdall resigns from county commission
« Reply #42 on: November 09, 2009, 08:45:44 AM »
I dont care who you go after, I just want people to know that TAX payers are paying for his electric, sewer and water.
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