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Maynard's "Joys of Muslim Women" thread jailbreaked
« on: July 10, 2010, 08:36:01 PM »
 
 
Maynard posted:
 
These are troubling times.
This was written by a woman born in Egypt as a Muslim.  This is not heresy.
Make sure you read the paragraph (in red) towards the end.


Joys of Muslim Women
by Nonie Darwish
 
In the Muslim faith a Muslim man can marry a child as young as 1 year old and have sexual intimacy with this child, consummating the marriage by 9.  The dowry is given to the family in exchange for the woman (who becomes his slave) and for the purchase of the private parts of the woman, to use her as a toy.
 Even though a woman is abused, she can not obtain a divorce.
To prove rape, the woman must have (4) male witnesses.
Often after a woman has been raped, she is returned to her family and the family must return the dowry.  The family has the right to execute her (an honor killing) to restore the honor of the family. Husbands can beat their wives 'at will' and the man does not have to say why he has beaten her.
 The husband is permitted to have 4 wives and a temporary wife for an hour (prostitute) at his discretion.
 The Shariah Muslim law controls the private as well as the public life of the woman.
 In the Western World ( America ) Muslim men are starting to demand Shariah Law so the wife can not obtain a divorce and he can have full and complete control of her.  It is amazing and alarming how many of our sisters and daughters attending American Universities are now marrying Muslim men and submitting themselves and their children unsuspectingly to the Shariah law.
 By passing this on, enlightened American women may avoid becoming a slave under Shariah Law.
Ripping the West in Two
Author and lecturer Nonie Darwish says the goal of radical Islamists is to impose Shariah law on the world, ripping Western law and liberty in two.
 She recently authored the book, Cruel and Usual Punishment: The Terrifying Global Implications of Islamic Law.
 Darwish was born in Cairo and spent her childhood in Egypt and Gaza   before immigrating to America in 1978, when she was eight years old. Her father died while leading covert attacks on  Israel .  He was a high-ranking Egyptian military officer stationed with his family in Gaza ..
 When he died, he was considered a "shahid," a martyr for jihad. His posthumous status earned Nonie and her family an elevated position in Muslim society.
 But Darwish developed a skeptical eye at an early age. She questioned her own Muslim culture and upbringing. She converted to Christianity after hearing a Christian preacher on television.
 In her latest book, Darwish warns about creeping sharia law - what it is, what it means, and how it is manifested in Islamic countries.
 For the West, she says radical Islamists are working to impose sharia on the world. If that happens, Western civilization will be destroyed. Westerners generally assume all religions encourage a respect for the dignity of each individual.  Islamic law (Sharia) teaches that non-Muslims should be subjugated or killed in this world.
 Peace and prosperity for one's children is not as important as assuring that Islamic law rules everywhere in the Middle East and eventually in the world.
 While Westerners tend to think that all religions encourage some form of the golden rule, Sharia teaches two systems of ethics - one for Muslims and another for non-Muslims. Building on tribal practices of the seventh century, Sharia encourages the side of humanity that wants to take from and subjugate others.
 While Westerners tend to think in terms of religious people developing a personal understanding of and relationship with God, Sharia advocates executing people who ask difficult questions that could be interpreted as criticism.
 It's hard to imagine, that in this day and age, Islamic scholars agree that those who criticize Islam or choose to stop being Muslim should be executed. Sadly, while talk of an Islamic reformation is common and even assumed by many in the West, such murmurings in the Middle Eastare silenced through intimidation.
 While Westerners are accustomed to an increase in religious tolerance over time, Darwish explains how petro dollars are being used to grow an extremely intolerant form of political Islam in her native Egypt and elsewhere.
 
In twenty years there will be enough Muslim voters in the U.S. to elect the President by themselves! Rest assured they will do so... You can look at how they have taken over several towns in the USA .. Dearborn Mich. is one... and there are others...
I think everyone in the U.S. should be required to read this, but with the ACLU, there is no way this will be widely publicized, unless each of us sends it on!
 It is too bad that so many are disillusioned with life and Christianity to accept Muslims as peaceful.. some may be but they have an army that is willing to shed blood in the name of Islam.. the peaceful support the warriors with their finances and own kind of patriotism to their religion. ****While America is getting rid of Christianity from all public sites and erasing God from the lives of children the Muslims are planning a great jihad on America ... ***** ***** *
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« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2010, 08:37:34 PM »
 
 
Freethinker posted:
 
 sad that you are quick to mention the words written in this post are from a muslim and therefore NOT heresay... as if you should be afraid of such things..

as far as being a heretic in the eyes of muslims, who cares?  sharia law will not work in this country. our constitution will not allow it. the federal law reigns supreme. just like the mormons who can't legally have multiple wives, or the creationists who can't legally teach intelligent design in our public schools...  the muslim faith does not have a legal leg to stand on when trying to convert our towns or country to sharia law. it simple won't happen. muslims who come to this country in an attempt to change our laws will be swallowed up along with any other religion aimed at changing the law to better represent their way of life. they have no choice but to adapt to our constitution or move somewhere else. thats the beauty of the seperation of church and state we enjoy as Americans. even electing a muslim President could not accomplish such a feat.... those who claim otherwise do so in an attempt to create fear of one religion in an effort to create more support for their own.

even more sad: the same christians who warn us of this "imminent threat to our way of life" have been trying to accomplish the same thing for decades. yet they fail to see the similarity or the futility in what they are warning the rest of us about. it's possible that any success christianity has had or may have in passing religious laws will be what leads to the muslim faith having the ability to do the same in the future.


i say be a heretic. challenge the beliefs of muslims. of any religion for that matter. you have more than a constitutional right to do so. you have an intellectual and cultural responsability to be a dissenter. dissent against the irrational thought others wish to chain you with was the spark that gave birth to this nation.

remember: it is important to argue the legality of what they aim to accomplish with rational and respectful discource. comparing their culture and laws to our own as if to imply that it could happen here in America [which it can't] does nothing but create irrational and unnecessary hatred and contempt. that does not prevent violence but leads us to it.
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« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2010, 08:39:41 PM »

 
Contemplating posted: 

Some should take a look at a few stats occasionally:

http://www.islamicpopulation.com/index.html
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« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2010, 08:40:18 PM »
Some should take a look at a few stats occasionally:

http://www.islamicpopulation.com/index.html

 
 

 
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would you care to explain why you feel those statistics are releveant to the topic at hand?
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« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2010, 08:42:31 PM »

 
ex-ed said:
 
 Thanks for posting Noni's words, Maynard. She's a great lady, in every sense of the word, and a very brave one. By converting to Christianity, she has placed herself under a sentence of death in any Islamic country she travels to, since Islam does not allow conversions to any other religion. Period. She is well-known in conservative circles for her brave witness and her willingness to tell the real story of how Islam sees and treats women as virtual slaves. Read her book for a real eye-opener!
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« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2010, 08:43:30 PM »

 
contemplating said:
 
 freethinker:  The red highlight regarding Muslim voting population in the US in 20 years.

I appreciate your optimism that our constitution will not allow for such things.  But I disagree with it at the same time.

Unfortunately, it is not all that cut and dried:

http://faculty.ncwc.edu/mstevens/410/410lect04.htm

There would quite simply be bloodshed before little issues in small municipalities and individual states made it to the higher courts to begin with.  Little things like special bathrooms and accomodations are just the beginning.  And they are happening all over the country.  Simultaneously vast restrictions are being placed on traditional Judeo-Christian practices for the sake of showing tolerance.......i.e. while one set (Judeo-Christian) of religious values are literally being outlawed, another set (Islamic) is falling under legal protection.  This is democratic?  This is equality?  This is just?

No, this is replacing one with another.  One little step at a time.

I respect your Atheism, so the last line should not be interpreted as preaching to you or anyone.  It is merely a fundamental comparative view of what we are really looking at here.  It is indeed a holy war.

Christianity teaches that every knee will bow on judgement day.  Islam teaches every knee shall bow on earth.  Totally opposite ends and means.
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« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2010, 08:44:24 PM »
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 its important to point at that while they may have vast voting numbers these numbers would have to be divided up into enough states to get the majority vote to have that states electoral votes. 
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« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2010, 08:45:10 PM »

 
freethinker said:
 
 Show me evidence of judeo-christian practices and beliefs being "vastly restricted".

Show me evidence of sharia law being shown special consideration or being implemented in this country, especially Dearborn, MI.

Which christian values are being outlawed and replaced with muslim values?


You are crying wolf. We have evolved as a nation. It has taken decades to partially rid ourselves of the christian "values" that have proven to be the enemy of individual rights and equality. To think that we will do so just to turn around and hand that same power to a muslim minority is preposterous. Free Thought, Rationalism, and our Constitution will be what prevents sharia law from coming to America. Christianity will lose just as much as the muslim faith does when the legal dust has settled.

This is not a holy war. This is a battle between the natural world we know today and the myths and legends from the Dark Ages.
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« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2010, 08:46:10 PM »

 
contemplating said:
 
 I'll pull up the facts when I have a little more time.  Lets just start with the word Christmas and the cross overlooking the desert honoring the WWII fallen.  Certainly you have seen or heard of these things?
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Show me evidence of judeo-christian practices and beliefs being "vastly restricted".

Show me evidence of sharia law being shown special consideration or being implemented in this country, especially Dearborn, MI.

Which christian values are being outlawed and replaced with muslim values?


You are crying wolf. We have evolved as a nation. It has taken decades to partially rid ourselves of the christian "values" that have proven to be the enemy of individual rights and equality. To think that we will do so just to turn around and hand that same power to a muslim minority is preposterous. Free Thought, Rationalism, and our Constitution will be what prevents sharia law from coming to America. Christianity will lose just as much as the muslim faith does when the legal dust has settled.

This is not a holy war. This is a battle between the natural world we know today and the myths and legends from the Dark Ages.

 
 


ex-ed to freethinker:
 
 
"Show me, show me, show me ...."
 
Why don't you get off your duff and do a little original research on the subject? Or is that too difficult? Maybe you'd be happier sitting at your computer spouting off worthless opinions ...
 
Get a good translation of the Koran and read it. Read what it says about Islam and how Muslims are directed to behave toward non-muslims and especially Jews and Christians.  This IS a holy war! I have been studying Islam and Jihad intensely for the last four years, and current Islamic religious authorities across the Middle East and Southwest Asia are calling it a holy war too -- as they have for the last 1300+ years. Read Robert Spencer's recent book, "The Complete Infidels' Guide to the Koran."
 
I have no heartburn with your atheism, but atheism is no defense against Islam; nor is it an excuse for ignorance.
 
Our nation was built on Judeo-Christian principles. The Israeli-Judeo religion is the source of the idea that each person, each individual has worth, has value. Prior to that idea's promulgation, rulers treated people as slaves, totally subservient to the state or to the ruling powers -- as totalitarian governments continue to do today. Judeo-Christian principles are the basis of democracy, of individual rights, of freedom of choice, freedom of speech, freedom of association, freedom to be an atheist or a Christian. To abandon Judeo-Christian principles is to abandon the foundations and standards our nation was built upon, and that would be total folly. Toss the Judeo-Christian principles away, and how would you counter the socialist/communist dogma that people must serve the state instead of vice-versa? No, socialists/communists wouldn't mind you being an atheist; atheists have no belief in overriding spiritual principles to guide them into a higher way, one that gives each person rights, value and worth that cannot be denied or overridden by human agencies. Athests cannot appeal to the rule of law because, if laws are all man-made, they can be unmade and changed at the whim of any human ruling power Atheists have no recourse to arguements of higher principles or rights.
 
Jews and Christians can and do have that recourse and those of us who value it, who value our G-d, can defend ourselves with those beliefs and faith in the higher, spiritual laws given to us by our higher power. Those spiritual laws undergird our nation's foundational documents and provide the legal foundation of the rule of law that overrides the rule of mere men. Christian values never "get in the way" of individual rights and equality; they form their very foundation.
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« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2010, 08:47:44 PM »
I'll pull up the facts when I have a little more time.  Lets just start with the word Christmas and the cross overlooking the desert honoring the WWII fallen.  Certainly you have seen or heard of these things?

 
 

freethinker:
 
 
those are not issues you can seriously bring up as "values" being outlawed. read the constitution. the federal recognition of christmas as a "holy-day" is a clear violation of law. as well as displaying one religions faith on public land, which insinuates favoritism towards a particular religion. again, against the law. 

thats not an attack on christianity. it's the application of a law as old as this nation that christians have ignored from the beginning.

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« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2010, 08:48:17 PM »

 
ex-ed:
 
 Another, more-immediate start to learning more about Islam, for Freethunker and others who believe the Constitution and our government will save us from Islam: http://frontpagemag.com/2010/07/09/symposium-the-fear-that-wilders-is-right/
 
Geert Wilders, for those not familiar with the name, is the Dutch politician being tried in the Netherlands for producing a film ("Fitna") which illustrates the dangers posed by Islam by juxtaposing quotes from Islamic scriptures with footage of jihadis in action. Wilders is charged with defaming muslims and Islam, but all he does is quote Islamic authorities and illustrate the quotes with Islamic jihad events.
 
Another story, about muslims building their armies in the U.S.:
 
"It seems almost unthinkable, but Islamist groups are, as we speak, hard at work creating Muslim states-within-states in the U.S. Indeed, this process has been unfolding for a long time across the Western world, through the creation of isolated Muslim enclaves in both rural and urban areas, as well as through the designation of “no-go zones” where governments admit to having little authority over Muslims living there, essentially leaving them to function as autonomous regions."  For more, see http://frontpagemag.com/2010/07/09/munslim-enclaves-u-s-a/
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« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2010, 08:49:00 PM »

"Show me, show me, show me ...." [how you do it, and I promise you, promise that I'lll run away with you]
 
Why don't you get off your duff and do a little original research on the subject? Or is that too difficult? Maybe you'd be happier sitting at your computer spouting off worthless opinions ...

 


 
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I have done the research. i've yet to find a single credible news source to back up any of your claims. I won't even pretend to be upset about your assumption that sharia law doesn't scare me enough to look into it. the claims are all false or grossly exaggerated. scare tactics. plain and simple.

it's fitting that you describe my opinion as "worthless" and then proceed to explain to me that your religion teaches that "each individual has value, has worth".  it is a wonderful example of the intellectual bankruptcy that is organized religion. you ignore thousands of years of evidence that show just how quickly the values held so highly by your religion can be thrown aside to punish those who wish to think otherwise. you ignore history and pretend that everything was evil until christianity came about, and that since then christianity has shown the world how to properly live. you forget the dark ages, the crusades, the inquisitions, the witch burnings, et cetera.. history is your enemy pal..

it's kind of funny that you speak of "judeo-christian values" like they are something that were created together, rather than something your religion stole from them and have since taken credit for..

i won't even bother to fully address you apparent ignorance of what an atheist is capable of believing. i'm guessing you don't have any personal relationships with atheists.. most of what you have said is almost word for word what i hear and read from christians everywhere. that playbook is outdated. think for yourself. all of the freedoms you enjoy in this country were the result of educated, free-thinking men with various beliefs on the issue of "god". but they all agreed that religion and politics were toxic when combined together.
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« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2010, 08:50:40 PM »

 
Kari says:
 
The best way to change a system, is to become part of the system, and make changes from inside the system. 

As for our wonderful Constitution.....you have heard of amendments to the Constitution?  We have a Supreme Court, people appointed to the position of interpreting our Constitution.  Yes, the President nominates someone, and the Senate must approve them, but theoretically, it IS possible for Judges to be appointed that will use Islamic Law as a basis for their interpretation of our Constitution.  We see this already in "liberal" and "conservative" views of our present day Supreme Court Judges.
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it's not possible kari. not even theoretically.

islam demands that everyone submit to allah. you would have to completely discard the constitution in order to make that possible.

if there are indeed small pockets of people living in this country under sharia law and the local and federal government are not holding them to the federal and local laws as well, then I agree that is wrong and it should be stopped. and again, I've seen no evidence of this happening anywhere. all people are doing is talking about the possible implications such a situation could create, and they are mostly voicing the extreme idea that eventually islam will rule this country. all they are doing is creating hatred and the possability of violence. what they should be doing, if these "news articles" have any truth to them, is sueing everyone involved and taking it to the courts where it will be settled quickly. yelling "holy war" is being wreckless and irresponsible..
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 You said "show me." I provided a couple of web sites, which you obviously did not take the time to look at. I have never denied your value and worth as a human being, FT, but that doesn't mean all your thoughts and opinions are correct or have worth. I value you enough as a human being to read your "arguments" and reply to them, but that doesn't mean I consider them true or valuable to me.
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kari says:
 
 
Freethinker, I beg to differ with you.  Islam allows for deceit to obtain it's goal.  As I stated before, we have Judges with liberal or conservative views who have ruled on Constitutional Law by interpreting it according to their view point.  Many say that Roe vs Wade is a prime example of a more "liberal" interpretation, with many conservatives hoping that appointments of more conservative Judges will reverse this decision.
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« Reply #17 on: July 10, 2010, 08:59:26 PM »
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« Reply #18 on: July 10, 2010, 09:00:00 PM »
fish finally chimes in with:
 
 
 christmas is a pagan ritual. many believe it is a christain holiday, it is not.

nobama is forcing healthcare on an unwilling people. what is to stop and executive order for anything else.

roe v. wade was decided by a legislature, not the people that vote. it is legal without us having a vote. gay marriage has been legalized by governors and legislatures in 5 states. the state the people had a vote, there is a movement to overturn the will of the people. government has already demonstrated it will go against the will of the people and the courts(what is mayor daley doing in chicago after the recent supreme court ruling on the second ammendment?). what is to stop these same officials from insituting sharia law?
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« Reply #19 on: July 10, 2010, 09:00:39 PM »

 
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Roger that.  Figured it was that or new convert.  Kinda like new converts to any other ideology if you catch what I am saying.

I would like to believe that our consstitution is that strong, and more importantly those weidling the power to enforce / interpret it weren't appointed for life.  And by one person / interest group.  Point being, even a one hit wonder in the oval office can leave irreparable wounds and marks on our country for years to come.  That's why I posted the link to the university....nuff said there.

As far as the religious end of things.......I have my own belief system.  But it is rather open ended.  Don't like labels.  Labels are convenient for self edification more than they are for any set of common good.  Unless of course you are a social engineer, politician, etc.  Makes it easier to sort out the masses and more importantly control them.  i.e. keep them busy.

That being said, the hard core muslims are the ones that declared the holy war.  Tell them it isn't so.  The christians are merely reacting to the threat.  Keep trying to tell them it is imagined.  Good luck with that, it does just as much good for you to try to impose your free thought and imply they are literate imbeciles for following ancient mythology as it does for them to tell you you are a sinner and damned without conversion.

It is true that one can see the evolution of religion and man walking hand-in-hand.  And all religions have been used in one form or another to impose order and structure on the minions of society.  Knowledge has always been the base of power.  It can also however backfire on the holder of power.

Take the first leader to introduce the concept of monotheism.  If the records are true, he was an Egyptian, Akhenaten (sp?).   Bottom line, the mere suggestion was too much for his people to swallow.  It cost what he was garunteed for life - his throne.  And, it wasn't because he had a divine revelation.  He declared it so because he had the power to do so.  Narcisim and absolute control kind of go hand in hand I believe.  Without going too much farther, I think it interesting that monotheism seems to have to appeared after all out of his edict.  Not through the Egyptian people.....through their slaves.....the Hebrews.

Got it with the history stuff.  So where arfe we now?  That is the real question.  Where are we now in the evolutionary process?  Are we truly protected any more in this country than any others?  Will we continue to reign supreme because our system is that much more rock solid and air tight than the others?  So much for the history stuff - no country has ever pulled that off.  I believe Rome would be the closest thing our country has to a historical model.  That one worked for a while.  Eventually its greatest strength became its greatest weakness.  In the beginning you had to earn the right to become a Roman.  But with that sacrifice came great reward.  It was worth it.  People had purpose.....eventually, they practically gave the title away.......sounds real familiar to me.

Without a vision, the people perish.  The more traditional vision is removed from our land, the less certain our future and overall prosperity will be.  The more it is replaced with opposing ideology, again the less certain the future will be.

What's next?  Isn't that what we want to know?
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« Reply #20 on: July 10, 2010, 09:02:45 PM »
fish shows his love for reagan with:
 
 
 you hit the nail on the head contemplating. look at the damage carter did in 4 years. there was very little pride in country, Reagan turned it around. but jimmy set the subprime mess in motion(CRA), he also showed weakness to the muslim world.
Our country is being ruined from within our own governemt. It starts with nobama. what has improved the quality of our lifestyle since he took office? I believe this years elections will begin a reversal of the damage he and congress have done. Reagan was proof the damage from a president can be undone, and dems helped him accomplish those fixes!
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I think everyone in the U.S. should be required to read this, but with the ACLU, there is no way this will be widely publicized, unless each of us sends it on!


 
 


 
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I don't really understand this statement. What does the ACLU have to do with anything you posted? I think you don't really understand the ACLU. If someone tried to infringe on your right to spread this information, the ACLU would sue them on your behalf. They support your freedom of speech.
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« Reply #22 on: July 10, 2010, 09:05:56 PM »
Christian values never "get in the way" of individual rights and equality; they form their very foundation.

 

 
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Christian values frequently get in the way of individual rights and equality. Many places in the United States you cannot purchase alcohol on Sundays. Some places you cannot purchase alcohol at all. Vibrators/dildos were banned in Alabama. Missouri just screwed Strip Clubs and adult stores. How do you not see that as Judeo Christian values getting in the way of individual rights?
 
As for equality, what about the equality and individual rights of homosexual couples?
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« Reply #23 on: July 10, 2010, 09:07:17 PM »
Another story, about muslims building their armies in the U.S.:
 
"It seems almost unthinkable, but Islamist groups are, as we speak, hard at work creating Muslim states-within-states in the U.S. Indeed, this process has been unfolding for a long time across the Western world, through the creation of isolated Muslim enclaves in both rural and urban areas, as well as through the designation of “no-go zones” where governments admit to having little authority over Muslims living there, essentially leaving them to function as autonomous regions."  For more, see http://frontpagemag.com/2010/07/09/munslim-enclaves-u-s-a/

 

 
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How is that a story about Muslims building their armies in the US? It's just an article about Muslims wanting to build a Muslim community that doesn't have alcohol, drugs, or gangs. The article uses the ban of alcohol as a sign of impending Sharia law. It may be true, but it is no worse than Christian counties that are dry(don't sell alcohol). It is no worse than Amish or Mormom communites that already do the same thing. In fact there are a few Christian communities forming in the area. Prairie Creek Settlement is a Christian community that is being built in Lebanon. They also have a thrift store in Waynesville. If Christians are allowed to build their own exclusive communities, why shouldn't Muslims be allowed to do the same?
 
http://prairiecreeksettlement.com/index2.html
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Roger that - gotta love it!
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How is that a story about Muslims building their armies in the US? It's just an article about Muslims wanting to build a Muslim community that doesn't have alcohol, drugs, or gangs. The article uses the ban of alcohol as a sign of impending Sharia law. It may be true, but it is no worse than Christian counties that are dry(don't sell alcohol). It is no worse than Amish or Mormom communites that already do the same thing. In fact there are a few Christian communities forming in the area. Prairie Creek Settlement is a Christian community that is being built in Lebanon. They also have a thrift store in Waynesville. If Christians are allowed to build their on exclusive communities, why shouldn't Muslims be allowed to do the same?
 
http://prairiecreeksettlement.com/index2.html


You will not find me in disagreement at all with what you said.  My point is much the same - the difference is one IS slowly replacing the other, and the replacement is far less forgiving.

A friend once told me his personal interpretation of deity - Good, Orderly, Decent.  How can that be debated?

On another note very closely related, one world government, monetary system, religion, etc are all inevitable.  The question still remains when it will occur and what it will look like when it becomes reality.  There are very few land masses left to conquer and or civilize.  And there is always another Nero or Akhnaten waiting in the wings.
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« Reply #27 on: July 11, 2010, 08:47:56 AM »
The prairie creek settlement thing ..... hmmmmmm.  I think at one time in life I may have ascribed to such a notion.  Don't want to hijack this thread - only thing I will say is it is nothing but communal living under another cover.  Nothing biblical about "living the old fashion way" living off the land, nor isolating one-self and family from the rest of the world.  On the contrary the commission was to live IN THE WORLD bearing the message of the prophet in words and deeds.  This is what would bring others to belief.  Nuff said here.
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« Reply #28 on: July 11, 2010, 04:59:26 PM »

 
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The best way to change a system, is to become part of the system, and make changes from inside the system. 

As for our wonderful Constitution.....you have heard of amendments to the Constitution?  We have a Supreme Court, people appointed to the position of interpreting our Constitution.  Yes, the President nominates someone, and the Senate must approve them, but theoretically, it IS possible for Judges to be appointed that will use Islamic Law as a basis for their interpretation of our Constitution.  We see this already in "liberal" and "conservative" views of our present day Supreme Court Judges.





It takes 2/3 vote of both houses of Congress to propose an amendment to the constitution, or 2/3 of the state legislatures to call on Congress for an Article V convention. If an amendment is proposed by either process, it still takes 3/4 of the state legislatures to ratify it.


If Muslims are capable of amending the constitution, then the amendment is just. That is how our democracy works. Do you really want it any other way?




As for Muslim Supreme Court Justices, I don't see the problem there either. I don't see how a Muslim interpreting our constitution based on religious beliefs could be any worse than a Christian who bases the constitution on their religious beliefs. Regardless, if they get on the Supreme Court and become radical, there is an impeachment process available to remove them from their position.
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« Reply #29 on: July 12, 2010, 11:00:05 AM »
Nonie Darwish, quoted by Maynard at the start of the original thread, has denied her authorship of the piece.  http://frontpagemag.com/2010/07/12/terrorizing-muslim-women/   But she goes on to write convincingly and authoritatively about the subject covered by the article. Read it for a good education on Islam's treatment of women as slaves.
 
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