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Re: Human Body Did Not Evolve!
« Reply #90 on: March 04, 2012, 03:01:52 AM »
 Call me out?  Where does the Bible say the earth is flat?
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« Reply #91 on: March 04, 2012, 04:20:51 AM »
Baylor Surgeon 'Dissects' Darwinism
by Brian Thomas, M.S. *
Dallas' Baylor University Medical Center surgeon Joseph Kuhn recently described three serious problems with Darwinian evolution in a paper titled "Dissecting Darwinism" for the school's medical proceedings.1 He wrote that all three points were argued in 2010 in front of the Texas State Board of Education, which after days of deliberation decided that textbooks must teach both the strengths and weakness of evolution.

The first weakness that Kuhn described is actually more than just a weakness—it is a deal-breaker for the proposal that purely natural processes could have brought forth living cells from mere chemicals. What keeps cells alive, Kuhn argued, is the very non-natural information that resides within the molecules of life. These molecules have almost none of the randomness that natural processes always produce. In fact, when nature does overtake these molecules, they lose their vital information and the organism dies.

Kuhn wrote, "The fundamental and insurmountable problem with Darwinian evolution lies in the remarkable complexity and inherent information contained within DNA."1

And the kind of information that DNA encodes is in the form of an all-or-nothing language system. Cell systems that use DNA have the same basic and irreducible features of any human language: symbols, specific meanings for each symbol, grammatical rules within which those individual symbols can be interpreted, message senders and receivers, and purposeful outcomes for the information communicated. This kind of information never comes from natural processes, but always from an intelligent person.

Kuhn wrote:

Based on an awareness of the inexplicable coded information in DNA, the inconceivable self-formation of DNA, and the inability to account for the billions of specifically organized nucleotides in every single cell, it is reasonable to conclude that there are severe weaknesses in the theory of gradual improvement through natural selection (Darwinism) to explain the chemical origin of life. Furthermore, Darwinian evolution and natural selection could not have been causes of the origin of life, because they require replication to operate, and there was no replication prior to the origin of life.1

Even evolution's most ardent advocate, Richard Dawkins, admitted in 2009 that "the most profound unsolved problem in biology is the origin of life itself."2

Whereas Dawkins still believes a solution exists to this problem, Kuhn recognized that nature alone could not possibly produce life. But both admit that the origin of life is a problem for the nature-only view.

Students certainly ought to know about this extraordinary weakness in evolution. But a year after Texas' education board's decision, 9 of 10 revamped textbooks failed to adequately describe both strengths and weaknesses in evolution.3,4

References

1.Kuhn, J. A. 2012. Dissecting Darwinism. Baylor University Medical Center Proceedings. 25 (1): 41-47.
2.Dawkins, R. 2009. Evolution: The next 200 years. New Scientist. 2693: 41.
3.An Evaluation of Supplementary Biology and Evolution Curricular Materials Submitted for Adoption by the Texas State Board of Education. Discovery Institute. Posted on discovery.org June 9, 2011, accessed January 23, 2012.
4.If curriculum writers could adequately describe some of evolution's weaknesses, then Missouri might also use their products, assuming that the state's currently proposed Bill No. 1276 becomes law. The bill would protect teachers who wish to discuss origins in the classroom. It proposes that authorities not hinder teachers "from helping students understand, analyze, critique, and review in an objective manner the scientific strengths and scientific weaknesses of biological or chemical evolution whenever these subjects are taught within the course curriculum schedule." Missouri House Bill 1276, "AN ACT to amend chapter 170, RSMo, by adding thereto one new section relating to teacher academic freedom to teach scientific evidence regarding evolution," posted on house.mo.gov.
* Mr. Thomas is Science Writer at the Institute for Creation Research.

Article posted on February 3, 2012.

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« Reply #92 on: March 04, 2012, 08:52:20 AM »
it isn't so much the different revisions of the bible. They all state God is the Creator of all and Jesus died for us. There are different interpretations but the massage is consistant. the problems in christianity stem from the different denominations. that is clearly the devils work. divide and conquer. different denominations have different interpretations of a consistan bible. some allow things that are clearlt prohibited in the bible. somestate incorrectly doctrines not in the bible.
I would like someone to explain to me the concept of purgatory the catholic church preaches. I don't believe in it but would like to see the reasonong that led to that doctrine. the bible's are consistant in message, some are just looking for a reason not to believe or accept the fact there is one God and He created all.

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« Reply #93 on: March 04, 2012, 09:38:30 AM »
God did not write the bible. What about the books that were left out or the one that are left in that contradict each other or misinterpretations. I read that the commandment thou shall not kill was originally thou shall not murder. If that is not the case their are a lot of soldiers going to hell. It doesn't say thou shall not kill except in time of war. If God does exist I hope he is a better God than what is presented to us in the bible.

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« Reply #94 on: March 04, 2012, 09:41:08 AM »
 Like Fish said, those are misinterpretations by the people reading the Bible not the Bible itself!
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« Reply #95 on: March 04, 2012, 11:40:46 AM »

Mark,


        The bible is full of inaccurate descriptions of the Earth. I expect divine writing to be more knowledgable and accurate than a third grader. Maybe I'm just being nitpicky, but I can't worship an ignorant God.


Here are a few examples I found on the web.



Job 28:24
For he looks to the ends of the earth, and sees everything under the heavens. (what end of the Earth)
Daniel 4:10-11
The visions of my head as I lay in bed were these: I saw, and behold, a tree in the midst of the earth; and its height was great. The tree grew and became strong, and its top reached to heaven, and it wasvisible to the end of the whole earth. (that's impossible unless the Earth is flat)
Matthew 4:8
Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the worldand the glory of them; (again, impossible unless the Earth is flat
Deuteronomy 28:64
And the Lord will scatter you among all peoples, from one end of the earth to the other; and there you shall serve other gods, of wood and stone, which neither you nor your fathers have known. (there are no ends on a globe)
Job 37:18
Can you, like him, spread out the skies, hard as molten lava?(our atmoshere is made up of layers of gases because of gravity. Nothing about our sky is hard. Why doesn't god understand gravitational pull?)
>http://hypertextbook.com/eworld/geocentric.shtml

Call me out?  Where does the Bible say the earth is flat?






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« Reply #96 on: March 04, 2012, 01:48:11 PM »
 Again, Its the third grader reading the book....not the book itself. I see nothing in these passages to suggest the earth is flat. The "end" means the horizon, or "ends"...all of the earth. When God stretched out the heavens...He is not refering to only the atmospheare. Your just digging to try and disprove the Bible, which can't be done!
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  • Isaiah 40:22
    He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in.
    Isaiah 40:21-23
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« Reply #97 on: March 04, 2012, 04:58:33 PM »
 
  • Isaiah 40:22
    He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in.
    Isaiah 40:21-23

 
The Earth isn't a circle. A circle is two dimensional. It's an oblate spheroid. You'd think an omiscient being would know that.
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« Reply #98 on: March 04, 2012, 05:06:25 PM »

The Earth isn't a circle. A circle is two dimensional. It's an oblate spheroid. You'd think an omiscient being would know that.
When do you think the words "oblate spheroid" were invented?
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« Reply #99 on: March 04, 2012, 05:31:16 PM »
Your just digging to try and disprove the Bible, which can't be done!

I'm not trying to disprove the bible. I'm just showing you some of the inaccuracies in it. The same inaccuracies that scared the crap out of the church when Galileo supported Copernicus' idea of heliocentricism publically back in the 17th century. If the information weren't so damning, there would have been no need for the Roman Inquisitions. If heliocentrism doesn't negate scripture, why did the church torture and kill scientists for heresy when they discovered it? Why would the church so vehemently fight against it?
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« Reply #100 on: March 04, 2012, 05:41:20 PM »
When do you think the words "oblate spheroid" were invented?

Greek and Hellenistic philosphers were debating a spherical Earth since 6th century BC. Surely God could have been as accurate as them. It's not quite an oblate spheroid, but it's pretty darn close. Way closer than the bible's circle. LoL.
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« Reply #101 on: March 04, 2012, 06:00:26 PM »

I'm not trying to disprove the bible. I'm just showing you some of the inaccuracies in it. The same inaccuracies that scared the crap out of the church when Galileo supported Copernicus' idea of heliocentricism publically back in the 17th century. If the information weren't so damning, there would have been no need for the Roman Inquisitions. If heliocentrism doesn't negate scripture, why did the church torture and kill scientists for heresy when they discovered it? Why would the church so vehemently fight against it?
There is a big difference between the "church" and the Bible!
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« Reply #102 on: March 04, 2012, 06:36:32 PM »
There is a big difference between the "church" and the Bible!

The point is that the church felt heliocentrism was such a threat to Christianity that they burned people at the stake for supporting it. Their actions legitimize my point that heliocentrism negates scripture.
 
While we are at it, which Bible? The Vulgate Bible, Textus Receptus, Septuagint, etc. Which one is your bible translated from? Wich one is infallible? They all differ in some way.
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